[Slim] But there's like a separate totally untapped underexplored area of spreadsheets which is that it basically this canvas right? Spreadsheets capture everything that people like about table based layouts in HTML with none of the stigma associated with it. You can create these really complex interfaces that basically just do data manipulation and put things be like: “okay, I'm gonna like copy this data and bring it over closer to where I'm working now so I can reference it more easily”. It's basically just this grid, right? And that's totally unstructured. It doesn't correspond to any kind of relational format but it's also a really powerful computation paradigm. [McGranaghan] Yeah, totally. I think people really love to be able to click somewhere and put stuff there and a lot of spreadsheet use is just that they just want to click there and put text or put a color and there's no formulas at all. Slim Lim & McGranaghan, Metamuse Episode 48 Rich Text with Slim Lim, 1:03:40, https://open.spotify.com/episode/51u2e3Ak6E4yMfqmA0NOdm?si=6pmti8IPQ4itIRFN0iG2RA